diff --git a/src/client/webapp/elements/require/atoms-funcs.ts b/src/client/webapp/elements/require/atoms-funcs.ts
index 02a71cf..dd56db9 100644
--- a/src/client/webapp/elements/require/atoms-funcs.ts
+++ b/src/client/webapp/elements/require/atoms-funcs.ts
@@ -27,7 +27,7 @@ import {
 	LoadedScrollingEnd,
 	LoadedValueScrolling,
 } from './loadables';
-import { guildState } from './atoms';
+import { guildsManagerState, guildState } from './atoms';
 import { Changes } from '../../data-types';
 import { randomUUID } from 'crypto';
 
@@ -51,6 +51,8 @@ export function createFetchValueFunc<T>(
         LOG.debug(`${fvfId} awaiting getPromise(guildState(${guildId}))`);
 		const guild = await getPromise(guildState(guildId));
         LOG.debug(`${fvfId} got guild from gm for g#${guildId}: ${guild}`);
+		const guildsManager = await getPromise(guildsManagerState);
+        LOG.debug(`${fvfId} got gm - ${guildsManager?.guilds.length} guilds, ${guildsManager}`);
 		if (guild === null) return; // NOTE: This would only happen if this atom is created before its corresponding guild exists in the guildsManager
 
 		const selfState = await getPromise(node);
diff --git a/src/client/webapp/elements/require/atoms.ts b/src/client/webapp/elements/require/atoms.ts
index 7e30626..39a6010 100644
--- a/src/client/webapp/elements/require/atoms.ts
+++ b/src/client/webapp/elements/require/atoms.ts
@@ -554,6 +554,7 @@ export function useInitRecoil(guildsManager: GuildsManager) {
 	const setGuilds = useSetRecoilState(allGuildsState);
 	const [currGuildId, setCurrGuildId] = useRecoilState(currGuildIdState);
 	useEffect(() => {
+        LOG.debug(`setting guildsManager to ${guildsManager?.guilds.length}`);
 		setGuildsManager(guildsManager);
 	}, [guildsManager, setGuildsManager]);
 	useEffect(() => {